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Post by shelbygraham on Jun 17, 2024 13:26:08 GMT
“If greatness is thrust upon certain men, thought is extorted from others. How apt that I who had no past and so eschewed a future, who entered neither social nor economic relations, who was without memory and henceforth privileged not to reason, should have struggled again with ideas which were not my own, that I had learned upon a time and then ignored.” (216)
This quote, I think, sums up where Lovett stands in the middle of Hollingsworth and McLeod. He seems to be at the moment just observing and not putting a lot of his own thought and input into the interrogation/discussion (one reason being he was not asked to contribute). But even most of his thoughts are just observations and not stating whether he agrees or not (unless I’m missing something?). But in the quote above, he is saying because he is without memory he is also “privileged not to reason” and doesn’t feel the need/burden to weigh in. I guess he is in a stage of life where he is mostly soaking in information and not contributing his own.
Does anyone agree? I find the dialogue a bit dense so maybe I’m missing something.
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Post by shelbygraham on Jun 17, 2024 15:31:48 GMT
I had another thought to add to this. In one of the secondary readings, "Ambush in the Alley: Barbary Shore and The Deer Park” by Michael K. Glenday, the author includes a quote from Mailer: “My unconscious felt one kind of dread, my conscious mind another, and Barbary Shore lives somewhere in between. That's why its focus is so unearthly.” In a similar way, Lovett's mind shifts back and forth between few memories from the past, ones which he is not completely certain are truthful, and what he knows of the present. Does anyone else see a correlation between this quote and the quote in my previous post?
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Post by Dr. Nemmers on Jun 17, 2024 16:45:53 GMT
That's a very illustrative quote, Shelby-- and I think crucial for understanding Lovett's character. since he has no past and has no relationships, he has ultimate freedom. One of the students (I forget who) termed him the epitome of the "modern man," which is a really great description. He's plagued by feelings and stray memories; he is trying to move forward but seems stuck.
To your second post, dread is a key existentialist tenet, and basically means that there's something you know is waiting for you (or coming) that that you must confront it-- there's no way out, no avoiding or escaping. I do think that's what so tough for Lovett-- he knows something bad's about to happen, and that he may not even know what it is. That he volunteers to (and insists on) listen to the interrogation and conversation shows that he's open to this fate-- he's not trying to flee or to stick his head in the ground to avoid all of this.
And I agree that Mailer is very much a stand-in for Lovett (and vice versa). What does everyone else think?
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Post by shelbygraham on Jun 19, 2024 14:46:20 GMT
Seeing him as the "modern man" and knowing more about how dread relates to existentialism helps me to understand why Lovett is so deeply invested into the interrogation. I wonder if he is so willing to accept his fate because he knows nothing about his past. He wants to have a chance to know something; avoiding it only leads to continuing in a state of "nothingness."
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